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		<title>By: Loi Tran</title>
		<link>http://www.investingintelligently.com/2006/03/06/too-many-choices-or-why-i-am-ready-to-give-up/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Loi Tran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a lot of choices out there, but I think that's part of the fun.  For people with less free time, an advisor may be the solution.  

I would rather do everything myself.  I do not trust advisors and think that I can do a better job than them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of choices out there, but I think that&#8217;s part of the fun.  For people with less free time, an advisor may be the solution.  </p>
<p>I would rather do everything myself.  I do not trust advisors and think that I can do a better job than them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed &lt;a href="http://www.northwestfunds.com/en/s_equity.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Specialty Equity&lt;/a&gt; when I went to &lt;a href="http://www.northwestfunds.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Northwest&lt;/a&gt;'s page. Did you know that they have reopened it since February 24, 2006? They will close it when it reaches $500 million in assets. Their performance is impresive although once again we need to remind ourselves that past performance is not everything and does not predict future performance. Looks like all Canadian small-caps have had a good run. I wonder which ones will perform the best during bad times.

Clearsight's Vancouver office isn't glittery. It's pretty quiet but they probably have less people there because I am guessing Clearsight started in Toronto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed <a href="http://www.northwestfunds.com/en/s_equity.php" rel="nofollow">Specialty Equity</a> when I went to <a href="http://www.northwestfunds.com" rel="nofollow">Northwest</a>&#8217;s page. Did you know that they have reopened it since February 24, 2006? They will close it when it reaches $500 million in assets. Their performance is impresive although once again we need to remind ourselves that past performance is not everything and does not predict future performance. Looks like all Canadian small-caps have had a good run. I wonder which ones will perform the best during bad times.</p>
<p>Clearsight&#8217;s Vancouver office isn&#8217;t glittery. It&#8217;s pretty quiet but they probably have less people there because I am guessing Clearsight started in Toronto.</p>
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		<title>By: Investorial</title>
		<link>http://www.investingintelligently.com/2006/03/06/too-many-choices-or-why-i-am-ready-to-give-up/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Investorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. one way for the regular consumer to invest in ABC is through Canada Life's UL policies, BUT there are many pros and cons with that approach too. 

BTW, I should disclose that I got into the NW Speciality Equity before it closed, that's why I'm happy with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. one way for the regular consumer to invest in ABC is through Canada Life&#8217;s UL policies, BUT there are many pros and cons with that approach too. </p>
<p>BTW, I should disclose that I got into the NW Speciality Equity before it closed, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m happy with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Investorial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to hear your thoughts. Maybe I'm a little biased from my meeting with ClearSight, the people there were certainly not Ross Healy and their office is glittery but alright in Toronto. I also went through my affiliation with UW (Waterloo). I thought it was interesting to hear more about Ross. As you know, I'm always a cynic in regards to mutual fund industry, investment media and marketing in general, the inspiration for Investorial.

I mentioned NorthWest because of its flagship fund - The Speciality Equity which has a proven track record of 20.58% in the last 15 years. Among the top 5 mutual funds in Canada with that length of history, its since been closed to the public. But since you're looking for a Canadian Equity fund, I admit those boutique mutual fund companies are only so so in that arena.

The reason is that they function much better in their specialized expertise. For example, Chou Associates, great Canadian small cap fund with 14.33% over 15 years. 

Guess I've already talked too much in these comments. I'll save it for upcoming posts on my Blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to hear your thoughts. Maybe I&#8217;m a little biased from my meeting with ClearSight, the people there were certainly not Ross Healy and their office is glittery but alright in Toronto. I also went through my affiliation with UW (Waterloo). I thought it was interesting to hear more about Ross. As you know, I&#8217;m always a cynic in regards to mutual fund industry, investment media and marketing in general, the inspiration for Investorial.</p>
<p>I mentioned NorthWest because of its flagship fund - The Speciality Equity which has a proven track record of 20.58% in the last 15 years. Among the top 5 mutual funds in Canada with that length of history, its since been closed to the public. But since you&#8217;re looking for a Canadian Equity fund, I admit those boutique mutual fund companies are only so so in that arena.</p>
<p>The reason is that they function much better in their specialized expertise. For example, Chou Associates, great Canadian small cap fund with 14.33% over 15 years. </p>
<p>Guess I&#8217;ve already talked too much in these comments. I&#8217;ll save it for upcoming posts on my Blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investorial: I can't exactly remeber how I found out about them (Clearsight). I think it was through UBC's alumni web site. They have a relationship whereby UBC (and other universities) recommend their alumni to Clearsight and in exchange Clearsight has to (I guess) remain "reputable" and keep their employees non-commission based or risk losing the university's recommendation. That's how I see it.

Anyways, I think I found out about them that way. I went to Clearsight's website (their old website which had a bit more information on it) and noticed this "RRSP stock basket" thing they were advertising. I called them up to inquire and the guy on the phone mentioned it was a portfolio managed by Ross Healy. I ended up researching Ross Healy and I really liked the guy. He was value-oriented, has an amazing track-record, and two amazing mutual funds (perhaps I'll save the detail here for a future post!). I consider his 2 companies to be 2 of those excellent companies who "don’t use the traditional distribution channels" as you say. Anyways apparently Clearsight is the only place where you can get access to Ross Healy's stock basket (you need $250,000 minimum to go to his company directly). I also liked the fact that they were commission-free (ie. the individual advisors don't make commissions) and I really like some of the things the advisor I met with said during our first 2 meetings before signing up.

I checked out those fund companies you mentioned and looked at their Canadian equity offerings:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;For Saxon, their Canadian stock mutual fund has managed to match the index exactly over 20 years. Min. investment: $5000.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;For Northwest, their Canadian equity fund has matched the index exactly over 10 years. Min. investment: $500&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;For ABC, their &lt;a href="http://www.abcfunds.com/visitor/performancereview.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;Canadian Fundamental-Value fund is in a league of its own&lt;/a&gt; getting 18% vs. 10.7% annualized for the index over the last 15 years. Min. investment: $150,000.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;PH&#038;N's Canadian Index Fund has just edged out the index by a percentage point over the last 10 years.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

So nothing really stellar there except for ABC Funds which has a minimum required investment of $150,000. Healy can generate similar returns for a $250,000 minimum. My goal right now is to build up enough money so that I can take my money to ABC Funds or Ross Healy! Either through Clearsight or on my own if I have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investorial: I can&#8217;t exactly remeber how I found out about them (Clearsight). I think it was through UBC&#8217;s alumni web site. They have a relationship whereby UBC (and other universities) recommend their alumni to Clearsight and in exchange Clearsight has to (I guess) remain &#8220;reputable&#8221; and keep their employees non-commission based or risk losing the university&#8217;s recommendation. That&#8217;s how I see it.</p>
<p>Anyways, I think I found out about them that way. I went to Clearsight&#8217;s website (their old website which had a bit more information on it) and noticed this &#8220;RRSP stock basket&#8221; thing they were advertising. I called them up to inquire and the guy on the phone mentioned it was a portfolio managed by Ross Healy. I ended up researching Ross Healy and I really liked the guy. He was value-oriented, has an amazing track-record, and two amazing mutual funds (perhaps I&#8217;ll save the detail here for a future post!). I consider his 2 companies to be 2 of those excellent companies who &#8220;don’t use the traditional distribution channels&#8221; as you say. Anyways apparently Clearsight is the only place where you can get access to Ross Healy&#8217;s stock basket (you need $250,000 minimum to go to his company directly). I also liked the fact that they were commission-free (ie. the individual advisors don&#8217;t make commissions) and I really like some of the things the advisor I met with said during our first 2 meetings before signing up.</p>
<p>I checked out those fund companies you mentioned and looked at their Canadian equity offerings:</p>
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<li>For Saxon, their Canadian stock mutual fund has managed to match the index exactly over 20 years. Min. investment: $5000.</li>
<li>For Northwest, their Canadian equity fund has matched the index exactly over 10 years. Min. investment: $500</li>
<li>For ABC, their <a href="http://www.abcfunds.com/visitor/performancereview.shtml" rel="nofollow">Canadian Fundamental-Value fund is in a league of its own</a> getting 18% vs. 10.7% annualized for the index over the last 15 years. Min. investment: $150,000.</li>
<li>PH&#038;N&#8217;s Canadian Index Fund has just edged out the index by a percentage point over the last 10 years.</li>
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<p>So nothing really stellar there except for ABC Funds which has a minimum required investment of $150,000. Healy can generate similar returns for a $250,000 minimum. My goal right now is to build up enough money so that I can take my money to ABC Funds or Ross Healy! Either through Clearsight or on my own if I have to.</p>
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		<title>By: Investorial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Average Joe, I agree with your comment about the salespeople. Well said!

One often used tactic, that also gave birth to the idea of portfolios, fund of funds because these salespeople cannot be bothered with examining your portfoliio. They don't make money servicing, the make money selling and receiving new investment capital. The fund-of-funds approach was perfect for advisors because 

1. They allow the "advisors" to concentrate on what they do best. Guess what that is?
2. They are an easy sell for consumers (note that I didn't say investors) because they contain all the "worry-free" catch phrases and features!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average Joe, I agree with your comment about the salespeople. Well said!</p>
<p>One often used tactic, that also gave birth to the idea of portfolios, fund of funds because these salespeople cannot be bothered with examining your portfoliio. They don&#8217;t make money servicing, the make money selling and receiving new investment capital. The fund-of-funds approach was perfect for advisors because </p>
<p>1. They allow the &#8220;advisors&#8221; to concentrate on what they do best. Guess what that is?<br />
2. They are an easy sell for consumers (note that I didn&#8217;t say investors) because they contain all the &#8220;worry-free&#8221; catch phrases and features!</p>
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		<title>By: Investorial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been to a ClearSight openhouse/presentation (whatever you call it) and their presentation didn't really grab me. I'm wondering what you thought of them?

There are so many excellent Canadian Mutual Fund companies out there like Saxon, NorthWest, ABC, PH&#38;N.. the list goes on, but one common thing is that they don't use the traditional distribution channels. That's not a knock on the companies, they're saving you money that way! But it means that many advisors will refuse to recommend them simply because they don't earn comissions or trailers on them.

That was ClearSight's stance when I asked them, they said that they would arrange up-front negotiated fees and won't look to manage them on-going. Didn't impress me at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to a ClearSight openhouse/presentation (whatever you call it) and their presentation didn&#8217;t really grab me. I&#8217;m wondering what you thought of them?</p>
<p>There are so many excellent Canadian Mutual Fund companies out there like Saxon, NorthWest, ABC, PH&amp;N.. the list goes on, but one common thing is that they don&#8217;t use the traditional distribution channels. That&#8217;s not a knock on the companies, they&#8217;re saving you money that way! But it means that many advisors will refuse to recommend them simply because they don&#8217;t earn comissions or trailers on them.</p>
<p>That was ClearSight&#8217;s stance when I asked them, they said that they would arrange up-front negotiated fees and won&#8217;t look to manage them on-going. Didn&#8217;t impress me at all.</p>
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		<title>By: DIY Finances &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mutual Funds are Sold - Not Bought</title>
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		<dc:creator>DIY Finances &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mutual Funds are Sold - Not Bought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over at Investing Intelligently, Dave has been agonizing with how to set up his RRSP. There are so many mutual funds to choose from. In fact, there are way more mutual funds than stocks available! I am sure that in the US, the problem is even larger! There are literally thousands of mutual funds to choose from. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over at Investing Intelligently, Dave has been agonizing with how to set up his RRSP. There are so many mutual funds to choose from. In fact, there are way more mutual funds than stocks available! I am sure that in the US, the problem is even larger! There are literally thousands of mutual funds to choose from. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Average Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Average Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely feel your pain.  The choices of mutual funds are absolutely ENDLESS! The key is to keep it simple.  And do what is best for you.  You can't put a price on a good night's sleep.  So do what makes you comfortable.

As for financial advisors knowing more, I would argue that.  Most of the financial advisors I have met (and there have only been 2), were pure salespeople.  I also know people that work at the banks and are qualified to sell mutual funds.  Let me tell you, it scares me how much these salespeople know about financials.  At least you are going to more of a specialized firm, so hopefully they are better than the banks.

Like Tom Connolly (http://dividendgrowth.ca/pages/old_site/) says "Mutual Funds are sold, not bought."

Also, read his section on Why I Refuse to be Sold Mutual Funds.  I would love to subscribe to his newsletter, but he isn't taking any new readers at the moment.

I remember another saying I heard.  Kevin O'Leary from SqueezePlay on ROBTV once said, "Don't buy mutual funds.  Buy the mutual fund companies!"

You are still young and have lots of time to learn.  So go with what is comfortable, keep on blogging and learning, and keep your advisor in check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely feel your pain.  The choices of mutual funds are absolutely ENDLESS! The key is to keep it simple.  And do what is best for you.  You can&#8217;t put a price on a good night&#8217;s sleep.  So do what makes you comfortable.</p>
<p>As for financial advisors knowing more, I would argue that.  Most of the financial advisors I have met (and there have only been 2), were pure salespeople.  I also know people that work at the banks and are qualified to sell mutual funds.  Let me tell you, it scares me how much these salespeople know about financials.  At least you are going to more of a specialized firm, so hopefully they are better than the banks.</p>
<p>Like Tom Connolly (http://dividendgrowth.ca/pages/old_site/) says &#8220;Mutual Funds are sold, not bought.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, read his section on Why I Refuse to be Sold Mutual Funds.  I would love to subscribe to his newsletter, but he isn&#8217;t taking any new readers at the moment.</p>
<p>I remember another saying I heard.  Kevin O&#8217;Leary from SqueezePlay on ROBTV once said, &#8220;Don&#8217;t buy mutual funds.  Buy the mutual fund companies!&#8221;</p>
<p>You are still young and have lots of time to learn.  So go with what is comfortable, keep on blogging and learning, and keep your advisor in check.</p>
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		<title>By: tonekoffski</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonekoffski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more research you do, the more frustrated you will become. I was having the same problem. I got frustrated and decided to just go with the cheapeast index funds I could find (Altimira at the time). I'll will contribute every month, &#38; rebalance every year. It's not very exciting, but I'm sure I will do okay when all is said and done. It sounds like you should stand firm on your 25% bonds/fixed income, as it's clear that is important to you. For the other 75%, let the advisor do his job as long as you are comfortable with him...just keep contributing every month and you'll be okay...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more research you do, the more frustrated you will become. I was having the same problem. I got frustrated and decided to just go with the cheapeast index funds I could find (Altimira at the time). I&#8217;ll will contribute every month, &amp; rebalance every year. It&#8217;s not very exciting, but I&#8217;m sure I will do okay when all is said and done. It sounds like you should stand firm on your 25% bonds/fixed income, as it&#8217;s clear that is important to you. For the other 75%, let the advisor do his job as long as you are comfortable with him&#8230;just keep contributing every month and you&#8217;ll be okay&#8230;</p>
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